Alice’s Take – Round Two
I’m thinking outside the box this time (or at least farther than I did before). As I mentioned in the intro, Deadline.com has it that The CW could very likely pick up 6 out of it’s 8 ordered pilots. “Arrow” and “The Carrie Diaries” are sure things, “The Selection,” “Beauty and The Best” and “First Cut” are very strong, “Cult” is strong as well but they’re considering something a little different with that one. They want to do an uninterrupted cable format. We have heard nothing about “Shelter” and “Joey Dakota” so who knows if they’re still in contention or not. TVLine is also liking “Nikita’s” and “Hart of Dixie’s” chances now.
That’s where my thinking twists. The CW’s biggest limitation, and the one that Mark Pedowitz aims to fix especially now that he has some revenue coming in from the Netflix and Hulu deals, is that the network goes practically dark when its shows go into reruns. There are too many holes in the schedule and not enough shows to fill slots. Most reality shows have failed them, and even “America’s Next Top Model” isn’t what it once was. The network also exists to build a catalog of youth oriented TV shows for it’s parent companies, CBS and Warner Brothers. WBTV President Bruce Rosenblum recently said at a conference that all of the WBTV shows are recovering deficits on the international market. That holds favorably for any WB show on the bubble.
As I mentioned on this site with my article on the new CW online model, recently it was revealed that the 20% of The CW’s viewers are online. That makes a nightly schedule practically obsolete for those viewers. It all becomes about content. More content seems to be the name of the game. So if 6 new series are ordered, then expect a lot of shows aired at various times to do 13 episode runs.
“Cult” is a prime candidate to be a mid season show running uninterrupted for 13 episodes. That would certain follow a cable mentality, and that wouldn’t hurt The CW at all. The network has already proven that it can’t take on the big four networks head on, unless that show is “The Vampire Diaries.” They want to have their content available outside the traditional network model. So, I suspect that most bubble shows will get a chance with only 13 episode orders, and several timeslots will be split between two shows during the season.
In recreating my schedule, first I must list my “fixture” shows. They’re the ones that will maintain a slot and be rerun in regular periods (for the most part). Those fixture shows for returning shows are “The Vampire Diaries,” “Supernatural,” and “America’s Next Top Model.” That will be it. As for new series, “Arrow,” “The Carrie Diaries,” and “The Selection” also look like fixture shows.
“Gossip Girl” will be renewed, but in a very curious twist their showrunner, Josh Safran, has just been tapped to run “Smash” over at NBC. So who’s running the show? That’s a very good question. “Supernatural” just got a new showrunner, but it’s former producer Jeremy Carver who left his own show on SyFy to come back and co-run the series. I heard a new production team has been hired, so chances are they aren’t coming in for just a one season deal in mind. If “Gossip Girl” brings on someone who’s committed to extending the franchise into new territory, it might get that 22 episode season and a regular slot on the schedule. Creatively the show has really dipped, so it would need that new renaissance to continue beyond 13 episodes. If they just want to limp to the finish line, look for “Gossip Girl” to have a 13 episode order and likely run in between cycles of “America’s Next Top Model.”
I’ve got “90210” coming back, just because I don’t see CBS Studios turning down the chance for them to hit 100 episodes. I’m definitely not looking for them to bill it to be a last season either. Most shows are written for six season contracts, so I’d imagine that is the goal of that show right now. I don’t think “90210” brings a lot of strength to the CW lineup, and the concept is likely tired for this network by now. Still, it gets enough viewers, and it is one of the highest rated in 18-34 women. I’m moving it to Wednesdays with “America’s Next Top Model.” It’s lighter fare that seems to work there.
After talking with “Nikita’s” showrunner/executive producer Craig Silverstien at C2E2 a few weeks ago, I actually like “Nikita’s” chances now. Silverstein hasn’t heard from the network one way or another, but he said that he won renewal last year by going in after filming the season finale and giving the network a great pitch for season two. He said he has a great pitch for season three. He found out his show was renewed two days before upfronts last year, and expects to get the news in that time frame again this year.
“Nikita” is an interesting dilemma because even though the demo rating makes it one of the lowest rated shows on the network, overall ratings are better than a lot of shows including “Gossip Girl.” There are people out there who watch the show, but they just aren’t the targeted CW youth demo. “Nikita” earns the least in ad revenue than any other show on the network. However, “Nikita” makes decent money with international distribution for Warner Brothers and it does bring something different to the CW lineup. I predict that “Nikita” will get renewed, but as a midseason show. Either that or The CW will air repeats on Fridays for the first six weeks along with “Supernatural” to promote their new shows and will bring “Nikita” back at a later date. I still can’t predict if it will get a 13 or 22 episode order at this rate. I say either way, it will be filling time slot gaps (likely Friday’s) and will not be repeated. ”Nikita” works with “Supernatural” only because with “Supernatural’s” built in fan base, that show doesn’t need a strong lead in. I actually agree with Silverstein’s comments that they should flip “Nikita” and “Supernatural” but they won’t. The network isn’t going to mess with something that actually works. They have so few successes right now. ”Supernatural” owns 9 pm.
“The Secret Circle” has a big problem. It’s tanking. In the last few weeks, it’s been getting “Ringer” type ratings. Lucky for them, they’ve tanked later than “Ringer” did. Still, the network has a huge concern that if it gets that kind of ratings after getting the plum “The Vampire Diaries” lead in, then how is it going to survive with another slot? That’s a damn good question. I’ve heard from people actually watching the show that it’s gotten better creatively, but they have a problem with cast chemistry. Their survival highly depends on how well Andrew Miller and Kevin Williamson (who has other priorities at Fox right now) pitches a new season. I don’t think it’s strong enough to make it on a Friday on its own. I’ve definitely got “The Secret Circle” down for a half season run, sharing with “Cult.” Or, it just might end up sharing Fridays with “Nikita”. Either way, it’s not running in a solid slot all year.
I think “Hart of Dixie” would be another great midseason show. You don’t need to be watching that show every week to know what’s happening, so it can fill in slots very easily. The question is, will The CW want it? Don’t know. Again, it’s going to depend on a creative plan. I don’t know how the show is doing internationally, so I’m not sure what will be the deciding factor in saving it, other than it’s versatile for midseason.
“Ringer” is gone. The concept didn’t relate to audiences, and Sarah Michelle Gellar couldn’t save the all over the map writing. I keep reading that The CW is going to cancel two shows, but I don’t see why they have to. They have plenty of spots to fill. If they truly pick up six series, I sincerely doubt all six will succeed. Holding onto existing shows for insurance, or to see if they maintain online viewing would be a wise move. After all, The CW is supposed to be venturing into brave new territory with online viewing.
So, here’s my totally arbitrary starting Fall schedule. It think there will be a ton of shifting in the schedule through the season and there will be far less repeats. New shows will be repeated more on different nights in attempts to expose these new shows to different viewers. The days of going mostly dark in December, January, and March could be a thing of the past.
Monday
8 pm – “Beauty and the Beast”
9 pm – “The Carrie Diaries”
Tuesday
8 pm – “Arrow”
9 pm – “The Secret Circle”/”Cult” (Midseason)
Wednesday
8 pm – Repeats of new shows/”90210”
9 pm – “America’s Next Top Model”/”Gossip Girl” (in between ANTM cycles)
Thursday
8 pm – “The Vampire Diaries”
9 pm – “The Selection”
Friday
8 pm – Repeats of new shows/“Nikita”
9 pm – “Supernatural”
Midseason
“Hart of Dixie”
“First Cut”
Chances are both Sablegreen and I will give one more prediction before upfronts. Or maybe not. Okay everyone, your turn! Has your mind changed at all in light of new information? Share your schedule, or tell us what you think of ours.
Interesting analysis.
I think if Nikita is renewed it will be for a full 22 (or 23 or 24 same as SPN) episodes.
Personally, I think Secret Circle, Ringer & Hart of Dixie will be cancelled.
Mon
Arrow
Beauty & the Beast
Tue
Carrie Diaries
First Cut
Wed (Dawn Ostroff memorial schedule day)
90210
ANTM/ GG(13 episodes)
Thur
Vampire Diaries
The Selection
Fri
Nikita
Supernatural
Midseason
Cult
I like your schedule! The only thing I’d change really is adding The Secret Circle or Hart of Dixie or both to the midseason list. I love your Dawn Ostroff memorial schedule day. She’s lucky she gets one day! 🙂
For schedule spackle (as they say over at TVby the numbers) any one of HOD, TSC or even Ringer as a 13 episode pick-up would work, but I hope that Mark P is bolder than that — he already has data on those three that says they’re too weak to prosper – why throw good money after bad? I do think the exception might be HOD – it seems to have more of a pulse — the ratings go up & down, which indicates to me that with a little promo push it might go up. Ringer, not so much, since it already had the benefit of a promo campaign (out of which the network got bupkus). To me, TSC is just plain bad. And it seems like too much work to retool it to a point where it might work better especially if there are good pilots to try instead. So OK — let’s add HOD to mid-season. *g*:)
God, the CW desperately needs a semblance of a hit, doesn’t it? Two or *gasp* three shows that get better than 1.0 in the demo. SOMETHING to build on.
And I’ll tell you frankly, I am so happy that SPN is on Fridays where it can quietly churn out episodes for WB’s syndication machine. Its ridiculous for the network that its Friday show SPN has a renew/cancel index of over 1 when CBS’ Blue Bloods only has a .58 (and is renewed!).
Except for TVD, M-TH on the CW sucks and it will take at least two years to build it and then I can see TVD joing SPN on Fridays. (In my dreams Nikita gets seasons 3 & 4 – I’m not sure that can really happen though)
So long as SPN doesn’t crater (and even if it does) the CW has other things to worry about besides its Friday night. SPN – season 11 here we come — I want JA to have those bragging rights over TW. 😉
I’m all for those bragging rights as well! Tom Welling does need to suck it! 😆
If you work in DVR ratings, Supernatural is around a 1.1 or 1.2 consistently, and so is The Secret Circle. Other shows aren’t even breaking 1.0. It’s really sad. In an ideal network situation, a show in it’s 7th year shouldn’t be your number two show. It should be your number five show. NBC has the very same issue with Law and Order: SVU, number one drama in it’s 11th season!
Sorry, where was I? I’m with you on HOD. I think that show has not benefitted at all from a Gossip Girl lead in. The problem is, will it do better mid season? Hard to say. I see potential with it though. As for TSC, like I said, it’s all going to depend on the season two pitch. The network needs to see the creative potential. Ringer has a chance based on that too, but it’s a very low chance!
With all the news today – Yaaaay SPN S8!!! – including a new Pilot Panic over at Deadline Hollywood, I’m still liking my schedule – if Selection isn’t strong, I could see Cult going behind TVD and including TSC (13 episodes) on the schedule spackle list.
Did you see GG had a .4 yesterday, which dropped from the .5 last week? Yikes. And HOD built on the GG lead-in to a .6, which is even with last week.
What in the world is the CW going to do with GG?
I don’t know what was worse, the .4 or the mere 830,000 that tuned in. If that show gets renewed (which it will) that’s going to be the lowest rated renewal ever in network history!
I say run it in between ANTM cycles. That’s really their only option. They can make their money on syndication and fulfill the actor’s contracts while filling a usually vacant slot. That’s the only benefit I see!
Sad isn’t it, and yes It will get renewed. To bad it will take a slot that could be filled by a really good show.
I guess I don’t see how it can be only renewed for 13 episodes and still fulfill the actor’s contracts. Also the advertisers have contracts to for another year. What happens if the show is only picked up for half a season. Isn’t it required they go another year?
Nah, it won’t take a good slot. I’m certain it’ll be used for filler. Trust me, The CW has enough gaps. They already know Gossip Girl repeats terrible, so that won’t be happening.
The actors have contracts, but there’s nothing in there saying it has to be 22 episodes. That’s decided on a per season basis at renewal time by the network. There are no advertiser contracts yet. That’s what the upfront presentations are for. To sign up advertisers for another year.
I don’t think Gossip Girl can command it’s premium anymore, thus that’s why I don’t think it’ll be getting a solid slot on the schedule.
So, GG renewed for 10 or 11 episodes – not even for a 13 episode final season. That’s actually kind of embarrassing for the show. Maybe it will bridge the winter gap –start after the November sweeps and gone before the February sweeps.
My how the mighty have fallen . . . .
Interesting analysis.
I think if Nikita is renewed it will be for a full 22 (or 23 or 24 same as SPN) episodes.
Personally, I think Secret Circle, Ringer & Hart of Dixie will be cancelled.
Mon
Arrow
Beauty & the Beast
Tue
Carrie Diaries
First Cut
Wed (Dawn Ostroff memorial schedule day)
90210
ANTM/ GG(13 episodes)
Thur
Vampire Diaries
The Selection
Fri
Nikita
Supernatural
Midseason
Cult
I like your schedule! The only thing I’d change really is adding The Secret Circle or Hart of Dixie or both to the midseason list. I love your Dawn Ostroff memorial schedule day. She’s lucky she gets one day! 🙂
For schedule spackle (as they say over at TVby the numbers) any one of HOD, TSC or even Ringer as a 13 episode pick-up would work, but I hope that Mark P is bolder than that — he already has data on those three that says they’re too weak to prosper – why throw good money after bad? I do think the exception might be HOD – it seems to have more of a pulse — the ratings go up & down, which indicates to me that with a little promo push it might go up. Ringer, not so much, since it already had the benefit of a promo campaign (out of which the network got bupkus). To me, TSC is just plain bad. And it seems like too much work to retool it to a point where it might work better especially if there are good pilots to try instead. So OK — let’s add HOD to mid-season. *g*:)
God, the CW desperately needs a semblance of a hit, doesn’t it? Two or *gasp* three shows that get better than 1.0 in the demo. SOMETHING to build on.
And I’ll tell you frankly, I am so happy that SPN is on Fridays where it can quietly churn out episodes for WB’s syndication machine. Its ridiculous for the network that its Friday show SPN has a renew/cancel index of over 1 when CBS’ Blue Bloods only has a .58 (and is renewed!).
Except for TVD, M-TH on the CW sucks and it will take at least two years to build it and then I can see TVD joing SPN on Fridays. (In my dreams Nikita gets seasons 3 & 4 – I’m not sure that can really happen though)
So long as SPN doesn’t crater (and even if it does) the CW has other things to worry about besides its Friday night. SPN – season 11 here we come — I want JA to have those bragging rights over TW. 😉
I’m all for those bragging rights as well! Tom Welling does need to suck it! 😆
If you work in DVR ratings, Supernatural is around a 1.1 or 1.2 consistently, and so is The Secret Circle. Other shows aren’t even breaking 1.0. It’s really sad. In an ideal network situation, a show in it’s 7th year shouldn’t be your number two show. It should be your number five show. NBC has the very same issue with Law and Order: SVU, number one drama in it’s 11th season!
Sorry, where was I? I’m with you on HOD. I think that show has not benefitted at all from a Gossip Girl lead in. The problem is, will it do better mid season? Hard to say. I see potential with it though. As for TSC, like I said, it’s all going to depend on the season two pitch. The network needs to see the creative potential. Ringer has a chance based on that too, but it’s a very low chance!
With all the news today – Yaaaay SPN S8!!! – including a new Pilot Panic over at Deadline Hollywood, I’m still liking my schedule – if Selection isn’t strong, I could see Cult going behind TVD and including TSC (13 episodes) on the schedule spackle list.
Did you see GG had a .4 yesterday, which dropped from the .5 last week? Yikes. And HOD built on the GG lead-in to a .6, which is even with last week.
What in the world is the CW going to do with GG?
I don’t know what was worse, the .4 or the mere 830,000 that tuned in. If that show gets renewed (which it will) that’s going to be the lowest rated renewal ever in network history!
I say run it in between ANTM cycles. That’s really their only option. They can make their money on syndication and fulfill the actor’s contracts while filling a usually vacant slot. That’s the only benefit I see!
Sad isn’t it, and yes It will get renewed. To bad it will take a slot that could be filled by a really good show.
I guess I don’t see how it can be only renewed for 13 episodes and still fulfill the actor’s contracts. Also the advertisers have contracts to for another year. What happens if the show is only picked up for half a season. Isn’t it required they go another year?
Nah, it won’t take a good slot. I’m certain it’ll be used for filler. Trust me, The CW has enough gaps. They already know Gossip Girl repeats terrible, so that won’t be happening.
The actors have contracts, but there’s nothing in there saying it has to be 22 episodes. That’s decided on a per season basis at renewal time by the network. There are no advertiser contracts yet. That’s what the upfront presentations are for. To sign up advertisers for another year.
I don’t think Gossip Girl can command it’s premium anymore, thus that’s why I don’t think it’ll be getting a solid slot on the schedule.
So, GG renewed for 10 or 11 episodes – not even for a 13 episode final season. That’s actually kind of embarrassing for the show. Maybe it will bridge the winter gap –start after the November sweeps and gone before the February sweeps.
My how the mighty have fallen . . . .
I like your schedule Alice; holding the Cult till mid season is a good idea since it’s a 13 episode show. I think Mark needs to make aggressive scheduling moves and not send their weak shows to Friday…
I would do this:
Monday:
8pm- Arrow
9pm- Supernatural
Male oriented shows to counter ABC Dancing and The Voice.
(granted we know the show won’t move, but it’s way to strong to be on Friday and should have never been tossed there to begin with)
Tuesday:
8pm: The Carrie Diaries
9pm: 90210
Wednesday:
8pm: Beauty & the Best
9pm: ATNM
Thursday:
8pm: VD
9pm: The Selection
Friday:
8pm: GG for a final (season) Why waste a good Monday slot on a dying show that gets less than a million viewers.
9pm: Repeats of Arrow or anyone of their new shows.
Hold The Cult for midseason, and maybe keep TSC or Nikita as well. In case any of their new shows fail.
I think the CW will pick up 4 with Cult for Midseason
The Selection (Due to the hype of Hunger games, though it’s more of the Bachelor)
TCD
Arrow
Possibly B&TB even though it could go to First Cut
I just wish they would hurry up lol
Interesting schedule!
I think Supernatural and Arrow would be perfect companions. They would have the same audiences. I see the CW pairing Arrow repeats with Supernatural on Friday. They would want that base. However, they won’t move Supernatural, and they won’t try to debut a show like Arrow on a Friday. They’re kind of stuck.
Monday is a good choice though, although Tuesday and Wednesday would work too. A lot of other nets have reality those nights too. Sadly though, I don’t see it happening either.
The thing about The CW on Fridays is that it’s the one night they’re actually competitive. Especially since Fringe is going away (after 13 eps) and I don’t see Grimm staying there. Dumping Gossip Girl there would be giving that up. I think it’s better they burn that off in between ANTM cycles. They don’t deserve Friday!
I like your schedule Alice; holding the Cult till mid season is a good idea since it’s a 13 episode show. I think Mark needs to make aggressive scheduling moves and not send their weak shows to Friday…
I would do this:
Monday:
8pm- Arrow
9pm- Supernatural
Male oriented shows to counter ABC Dancing and The Voice.
(granted we know the show won’t move, but it’s way to strong to be on Friday and should have never been tossed there to begin with)
Tuesday:
8pm: The Carrie Diaries
9pm: 90210
Wednesday:
8pm: Beauty & the Best
9pm: ATNM
Thursday:
8pm: VD
9pm: The Selection
Friday:
8pm: GG for a final (season) Why waste a good Monday slot on a dying show that gets less than a million viewers.
9pm: Repeats of Arrow or anyone of their new shows.
Hold The Cult for midseason, and maybe keep TSC or Nikita as well. In case any of their new shows fail.
I think the CW will pick up 4 with Cult for Midseason
The Selection (Due to the hype of Hunger games, though it’s more of the Bachelor)
TCD
Arrow
Possibly B&TB even though it could go to First Cut
I just wish they would hurry up lol
Interesting schedule!
I think Supernatural and Arrow would be perfect companions. They would have the same audiences. I see the CW pairing Arrow repeats with Supernatural on Friday. They would want that base. However, they won’t move Supernatural, and they won’t try to debut a show like Arrow on a Friday. They’re kind of stuck.
Monday is a good choice though, although Tuesday and Wednesday would work too. A lot of other nets have reality those nights too. Sadly though, I don’t see it happening either.
The thing about The CW on Fridays is that it’s the one night they’re actually competitive. Especially since Fringe is going away (after 13 eps) and I don’t see Grimm staying there. Dumping Gossip Girl there would be giving that up. I think it’s better they burn that off in between ANTM cycles. They don’t deserve Friday!
My comment seems to have disappeared into the ether. So, redux:
I can’t fault your reasoning for putting TSC and Repeats/Nikita on Fridays, but I’m really hoping SPN gets a better lead-in. Just because SPN is a tough workhorse doesn’t mean it shouldn’t get a break now and then. Even though premiering a new show on Fridays isn’t ideal, they might consider it seeing as everything they have will tank there, and Grimm managed just fine.
Great example, but Grimm is kind of an anomaly. Very few shows succeed on a Friday and stay there. CSI did and was promptly moved. Ditto for The X-Files. I’m extremely certain NBC will be moving Grimm. They have nothing! A show can premiere on a Friday, but it’s a huge risk. NBC had zero hopes for Grimm and didn’t even promote it. It was a happy accident for them.
Considering SPN is the CW’s number two show, the only lead in that can be stronger than a new show is The Vampire Diaries. If a new show does pull Vampire Diaries numbers, or heck even SPN numbers, it will go to another night where they can grow an audience. This network has so little.
While it would be nice that SPN gets a strong lead in, the network just doesn’t have that luxury. It’s the disadvantage of being the established veteran!
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My comment seems to have disappeared into the ether. So, redux:
I can’t fault your reasoning for putting TSC and Repeats/Nikita on Fridays, but I’m really hoping SPN gets a better lead-in. Just because SPN is a tough workhorse doesn’t mean it shouldn’t get a break now and then. Even though premiering a new show on Fridays isn’t ideal, they might consider it seeing as everything they have will tank there, and Grimm managed just fine.
Great example, but Grimm is kind of an anomaly. Very few shows succeed on a Friday and stay there. CSI did and was promptly moved. Ditto for The X-Files. I’m extremely certain NBC will be moving Grimm. They have nothing! A show can premiere on a Friday, but it’s a huge risk. NBC had zero hopes for Grimm and didn’t even promote it. It was a happy accident for them.
Considering SPN is the CW’s number two show, the only lead in that can be stronger than a new show is The Vampire Diaries. If a new show does pull Vampire Diaries numbers, or heck even SPN numbers, it will go to another night where they can grow an audience. This network has so little.
While it would be nice that SPN gets a strong lead in, the network just doesn’t have that luxury. It’s the disadvantage of being the established veteran!
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Well if the CW cancels Nikita i will be done with that network period and judging from its rapid fanbase the network is going to be bomabarded with hate mail and they will lose all the viewers who watch Nikita that also watch their other shows. These other shows will lose very single one of them.
Well if the CW cancels Nikita i will be done with that network period and judging from its rapid fanbase the network is going to be bomabarded with hate mail and they will lose all the viewers who watch Nikita that also watch their other shows. These other shows will lose very single one of them.
So you guys didn’t like my ideas huh. Well I still sticking by them.
Nikita is not a show the CW should keep especailly if they keep it on Friday. It’s a terrible lead in for SPN. If they do keep it, they should flip the shows, or move SPN from Friday. It’s fans would follow and a Tuesday night slot would be great. Then they can pair it with Arrow.
As for the renewals announced yesterday. So far so good. None of those were unexpected. Gossip Girls not being announced was. Didn’t know they were looking for a new showrunner, but really the show is doing poorly anyway. If they do cancel it, the network can pick up 5 pilots.
As for TSC…it still has a good chance to be renewed and would pair very well with SPN on Fridays. As long as Nikita is out of the picture.
If The Selection is picked it would do well after TVD. That was my first choice to follw that show, but it didn’t seem to be getting the popularity it needs. And I hope Cult is picked up for 22 episodes. Mysteries always do well.
So you guys didn’t like my ideas huh. Well I still sticking by them.
Nikita is not a show the CW should keep especailly if they keep it on Friday. It’s a terrible lead in for SPN. If they do keep it, they should flip the shows, or move SPN from Friday. It’s fans would follow and a Tuesday night slot would be great. Then they can pair it with Arrow.
As for the renewals announced yesterday. So far so good. None of those were unexpected. Gossip Girls not being announced was. Didn’t know they were looking for a new showrunner, but really the show is doing poorly anyway. If they do cancel it, the network can pick up 5 pilots.
As for TSC…it still has a good chance to be renewed and would pair very well with SPN on Fridays. As long as Nikita is out of the picture.
If The Selection is picked it would do well after TVD. That was my first choice to follw that show, but it didn’t seem to be getting the popularity it needs. And I hope Cult is picked up for 22 episodes. Mysteries always do well.